Jag har läst vid ett par tillfällen om kalibern 6X52R, som tydligen skall vara en 5,6X52R(.22 Savage HP) hylsa, öppnad till 6mm.
Jag undrar om det är någon som har några erfarenheter, eller åsikter, om en sådan patron?
//Magnus
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Jag har läst vid ett par tillfällen om kalibern 6X52R, som tydligen skall vara en 5,6X52R(.22 Savage HP) hylsa, öppnad till 6mm.
Jag undrar om det är någon som har några erfarenheter, eller åsikter, om en sådan patron?
//Magnus
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Hej!
Häromåret läste jag en artikel om den i Wild-und-Hund, men den finns inte kvar på deras webbsida. Men jag slängde in en fråga på dessa forum: http://www.ladedaten.info och http://www.wildundhund.de/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi Jag återkommer när jag fått svar.
Ta en titt på den här patronen som också finns i R-version: http://home.snafu.de/l.moeller/6x62Freres.html
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Fritz
...the mark of the hunter is the ability to get close.
Jag har läst vid ett par tillfällen om kalibern 6X52R, som tydligen skall vara en 5,6X52R(.22 Savage HP) hylsa, öppnad till 6mm.
Jag undrar om det är någon som har några erfarenheter, eller åsikter, om en sådan patron?
//Magnus
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Hej!
Häromåret läste jag en artikel om den i Wild-und-Hund, men den finns inte kvar på deras webbsida. Men jag slängde in en fråga på dessa forum: http://www.ladedaten.info och http://www.wildundhund.de/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi Jag återkommer när jag fått svar.
Ta en titt på den här patronen som också finns i R-version: http://home.snafu.de/l.moeller/6x62Freres.html
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Fritz
...the mark of the hunter is the ability to get close.
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Hej!
Jag har fått den här länken nu på morgonen: http://www.djz.de/artikelbeitrag/artike ... _3130.html
Eftersom artikeln är på tyska, så återkommer jag med ett referat när jag har lite mera tid. Men längst ner på sidan finns ett par länkar med bl.a. ballistik, som nog går att tillgodogöra sig utan tyskkunskaper.
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Fritz
...the mark of the hunter is the ability to get close.
Jag har fått den här länken nu på morgonen: http://www.djz.de/artikelbeitrag/artike ... _3130.html
Eftersom artikeln är på tyska, så återkommer jag med ett referat när jag har lite mera tid. Men längst ner på sidan finns ett par länkar med bl.a. ballistik, som nog går att tillgodogöra sig utan tyskkunskaper.
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Fritz
...the mark of the hunter is the ability to get close.
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Ta en titt på den här patronen som också finns i R-version: http://home.snafu.de/l.moeller/6x62Freres.html
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Fritz
...the mark of the hunter is the ability to get close.
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Ser ut som om man kan behöva pipa om ibland.<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>
//Magnus
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Ta en titt på den här patronen som också finns i R-version: http://home.snafu.de/l.moeller/6x62Freres.html
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Fritz
...the mark of the hunter is the ability to get close.
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Ser ut som om man kan behöva pipa om ibland.<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>
//Magnus
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Ser ut som om man kan behöva pipa om ibland.<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>
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Ja. För egen del har jag understundom lekt med tanken att skruva hop en sådan på en Brno-låda, alternativt riva upp läget i en Ruger #1 .243 Win. Men det är så mycket man vill och så lite man kan. <img src=icon_smile_dissapprove.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_dissapprove.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_dissapprove.gif border=0 align=middle>
F.ö. har det droppat in fler svar på de tyska forumen om 6x52R. Jag väntar lite innan jag skriver hop en rapport om vad som står där.
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Fritz
...the mark of the hunter is the ability to get close.
Ser ut som om man kan behöva pipa om ibland.<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>
//Magnus
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Ja. För egen del har jag understundom lekt med tanken att skruva hop en sådan på en Brno-låda, alternativt riva upp läget i en Ruger #1 .243 Win. Men det är så mycket man vill och så lite man kan. <img src=icon_smile_dissapprove.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_dissapprove.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_dissapprove.gif border=0 align=middle>
F.ö. har det droppat in fler svar på de tyska forumen om 6x52R. Jag väntar lite innan jag skriver hop en rapport om vad som står där.
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Fritz
...the mark of the hunter is the ability to get close.
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America. the country of the unlimited possibilities and the Wildcats! Now the trend holds to the caliber even devised strengthens introduction also with us. By the wide-spread 24ér calibers stand each quantity of projectiles to the selection. From Norbert Klups the hunt for rehwild requires a cartridge, which brings this small kind of bowl game with as small a game destruction as possible and without large escape widths to the distance. Precision is naturally also a basic condition. The Ingolstaedter ballistics expert Bernd Bretschneider already developed a cartridge, which made the round in Insiderkreisen fast as ideal deer game cartridge before three years. Now the 6 x 52R Bretschneider have also CIP permission, and to a further spreading stands nothing more in the way. With the development Bernd Bretschneider made certain that existing weapons in deer game calibers can be modified as problem-free as possible on the new cartridge. Who has a can in the calibers of 22 Hornet, 222 Remington or 5,6x52R, can change relatively simply and low-priced. For drawing the run up and the change of the cartridge chamber with following new bombardment about 500 Marks result. Also putting in runs can be furnished for the 6x52R. With a gas pressure of 3300 bar the 6x52R does not load a tilting run weapon any longer than a 5,6x52R or the modern 5,6x50R Magnum. As nut/mother case Bernd Bretschneider selected the 5,6x52R, which even already enjoys a outstanding call as deer game cartridge. By the enlargement of the caliber on 243 tariff is available a broad projectile pallet from 60 to 105 Grains. Thus the cartridge leaves itself on the respective range of application and district conditions massschneidern (ballistic data). The forest hunter will prefer rather the slow, heavy projectiles, in order to keep the game destruction as small as possible also short distance, during the field hunters to the easier, fast Laborierung with exterior ballistically favorable projectile form reaches, in order to obtain as flat a flight path as possible and to bring even on larger distances still sufficient energy into the goal. Like most other deer game cartridges, naturally also the 6x52R Bretschneider is suitable well for the Raubwildbejagung. Low-recoil and precisely ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Deer game hunters prefer light cans, and here is the 6x52R at home. The slim cartridge makes the building possible of elegant weapons and hardly causes recoil. Also an super+easy tilting sleeve in this caliber can be shot still pleasant. The self-precision is outstanding and all or converted cans, including the putting in runs, built so far, showed good precision. Ammunition is manufactured and driven out by Bernd Bretschneider. Most lovers of this new cartridge load their ammunition however, and at components no lack prevails. The projectile offer is by the popular 243 Winchester and unites other cartridges, as for instance 240 Weatherby Magnum, 6 mm of Remington Magnum, 6 mm PPC or 6 mm of Norma Bench remainder, enormous, and cases can be transformed easily from the 5,6x52R. Here cases in outstanding quality from RWS or Norma are to be gotten to. As powders all offensive sorts and also many of the intermediately burning down propellant means are suitable. And the practice fitness? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In the last years a good dozen was weapons in the caliber of 6x52R Bretschneider in use. Many the user when desired kept account from Bernd Bretschneider exactly, so that today a passable number from firing reports stands to the order. Mainly rehwild was naturally hunted, in addition, a whole number of foxes came to the distance. Many different projectile constructions were used, but with a deer game cartridge the structure of projectile is not from so great importance. Complex special projectiles actually is eliminated money, because the goal resistance of a deer is much too small, in order to obtain here a intelligentes responding the projectile, how it is called always so beautiful in the advertisement of the ammunition manufacturers. Everything that not already divides itself on the cover, will bring a deer surely to the distance. For the Haematombildung the impact speed is relevant, and here Bernd Bretschneider seems to lie gold correct, because in the firing reports the game-careful effect is confirmed throughout. With a V0 from 820 to 840 meters in the second with the rapid 85-Grains-Geschoss the far effective range, which should not be at rehwild however over 200 meters, is covered. The forest hunter should rather select a projectile in the 100-Grains-Bereich, whose muzzle velocity is smaller. If the goal speed does not lie clearly over 750 m/s, Haematome are missing nearly completely. The game cancellation precipitates then likewise very small. Also the effect is very good. With shots within the range of the sheet rehwild at the first shot remains or ends after short escape of maximally 30 meters. Committees are always present and for instance two up to piece of five-Mark large. At the first shot is very little sweat. This is however during the small game destruction also no miracle and should not be overestimated, because a good welding dog follows the Wundfaehrte and is not dependent necessarily on visible sweat. At the robbery game the results do not inspire any longer completely in such a way, because the committees with foxes are as large as at the rehwild. Here however the other deer game cartridges are also not better, them work rather still more brutally. Who wants to hunt particularly on winter foxes and preserve the bellows, pellet should take or a special robbery game cartridge, like the 22 Hornet or the 17 Remington, select. Chances for success? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The paper data and the realizations won from the firing reports show that it concerns with the new 6x52R Bretschneider a very well ausballancierte deer game cartridge. The game cancellation is small and the precision protruding during very good firing effect. The suitability for putting in runs and the little complex possibility of modifying existing weapons in different calibers will contribute to the further spreading. After now the CIP permission this deer game caliber can be found probably also soon in the offer pallet of different weapon manufacturers. For districts, in which the deer occurs as the strongest kind of bowl game, the 6x52R Bretschneider is an excellent cartridge. Konkurrentin within this range is the 6x50R Scheiring, which is based on the 5,6x50R Magnum, but but a not straight catch-careful customs gas pressure of full 3900 bar has.
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Långt, men lättare att läsa för er icke-germaner...
MVH
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America. the country of the unlimited possibilities and the Wildcats! Now the trend holds to the caliber even devised strengthens introduction also with us. By the wide-spread 24ér calibers stand each quantity of projectiles to the selection. From Norbert Klups the hunt for rehwild requires a cartridge, which brings this small kind of bowl game with as small a game destruction as possible and without large escape widths to the distance. Precision is naturally also a basic condition. The Ingolstaedter ballistics expert Bernd Bretschneider already developed a cartridge, which made the round in Insiderkreisen fast as ideal deer game cartridge before three years. Now the 6 x 52R Bretschneider have also CIP permission, and to a further spreading stands nothing more in the way. With the development Bernd Bretschneider made certain that existing weapons in deer game calibers can be modified as problem-free as possible on the new cartridge. Who has a can in the calibers of 22 Hornet, 222 Remington or 5,6x52R, can change relatively simply and low-priced. For drawing the run up and the change of the cartridge chamber with following new bombardment about 500 Marks result. Also putting in runs can be furnished for the 6x52R. With a gas pressure of 3300 bar the 6x52R does not load a tilting run weapon any longer than a 5,6x52R or the modern 5,6x50R Magnum. As nut/mother case Bernd Bretschneider selected the 5,6x52R, which even already enjoys a outstanding call as deer game cartridge. By the enlargement of the caliber on 243 tariff is available a broad projectile pallet from 60 to 105 Grains. Thus the cartridge leaves itself on the respective range of application and district conditions massschneidern (ballistic data). The forest hunter will prefer rather the slow, heavy projectiles, in order to keep the game destruction as small as possible also short distance, during the field hunters to the easier, fast Laborierung with exterior ballistically favorable projectile form reaches, in order to obtain as flat a flight path as possible and to bring even on larger distances still sufficient energy into the goal. Like most other deer game cartridges, naturally also the 6x52R Bretschneider is suitable well for the Raubwildbejagung. Low-recoil and precisely ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Deer game hunters prefer light cans, and here is the 6x52R at home. The slim cartridge makes the building possible of elegant weapons and hardly causes recoil. Also an super+easy tilting sleeve in this caliber can be shot still pleasant. The self-precision is outstanding and all or converted cans, including the putting in runs, built so far, showed good precision. Ammunition is manufactured and driven out by Bernd Bretschneider. Most lovers of this new cartridge load their ammunition however, and at components no lack prevails. The projectile offer is by the popular 243 Winchester and unites other cartridges, as for instance 240 Weatherby Magnum, 6 mm of Remington Magnum, 6 mm PPC or 6 mm of Norma Bench remainder, enormous, and cases can be transformed easily from the 5,6x52R. Here cases in outstanding quality from RWS or Norma are to be gotten to. As powders all offensive sorts and also many of the intermediately burning down propellant means are suitable. And the practice fitness? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In the last years a good dozen was weapons in the caliber of 6x52R Bretschneider in use. Many the user when desired kept account from Bernd Bretschneider exactly, so that today a passable number from firing reports stands to the order. Mainly rehwild was naturally hunted, in addition, a whole number of foxes came to the distance. Many different projectile constructions were used, but with a deer game cartridge the structure of projectile is not from so great importance. Complex special projectiles actually is eliminated money, because the goal resistance of a deer is much too small, in order to obtain here a intelligentes responding the projectile, how it is called always so beautiful in the advertisement of the ammunition manufacturers. Everything that not already divides itself on the cover, will bring a deer surely to the distance. For the Haematombildung the impact speed is relevant, and here Bernd Bretschneider seems to lie gold correct, because in the firing reports the game-careful effect is confirmed throughout. With a V0 from 820 to 840 meters in the second with the rapid 85-Grains-Geschoss the far effective range, which should not be at rehwild however over 200 meters, is covered. The forest hunter should rather select a projectile in the 100-Grains-Bereich, whose muzzle velocity is smaller. If the goal speed does not lie clearly over 750 m/s, Haematome are missing nearly completely. The game cancellation precipitates then likewise very small. Also the effect is very good. With shots within the range of the sheet rehwild at the first shot remains or ends after short escape of maximally 30 meters. Committees are always present and for instance two up to piece of five-Mark large. At the first shot is very little sweat. This is however during the small game destruction also no miracle and should not be overestimated, because a good welding dog follows the Wundfaehrte and is not dependent necessarily on visible sweat. At the robbery game the results do not inspire any longer completely in such a way, because the committees with foxes are as large as at the rehwild. Here however the other deer game cartridges are also not better, them work rather still more brutally. Who wants to hunt particularly on winter foxes and preserve the bellows, pellet should take or a special robbery game cartridge, like the 22 Hornet or the 17 Remington, select. Chances for success? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The paper data and the realizations won from the firing reports show that it concerns with the new 6x52R Bretschneider a very well ausballancierte deer game cartridge. The game cancellation is small and the precision protruding during very good firing effect. The suitability for putting in runs and the little complex possibility of modifying existing weapons in different calibers will contribute to the further spreading. After now the CIP permission this deer game caliber can be found probably also soon in the offer pallet of different weapon manufacturers. For districts, in which the deer occurs as the strongest kind of bowl game, the 6x52R Bretschneider is an excellent cartridge. Konkurrentin within this range is the 6x50R Scheiring, which is based on the 5,6x50R Magnum, but but a not straight catch-careful customs gas pressure of full 3900 bar has.
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Långt, men lättare att läsa för er icke-germaner...
MVH
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Re: 6X52R
Något för den som vill göra en Bergstutzen av sin kaliber 20-kombi: http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=3570008
Se även: http://www.bretschneider-waffen-munition.de/
Se även: http://www.bretschneider-waffen-munition.de/
Skicka gärna email till: suhl.robsoft(at)gmail.com
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Re: 6X52R
Inte igenSuhl skrev:Något för den som vill göra en Bergstutzen av sin kaliber 20-kombi: http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=3570008
Se även: http://www.bretschneider-waffen-munition.de/
Blir ju aldrig nån bergstudsare utan är och förblir en kombi......
Mvh Anders
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