.22 Hornet

Inlägg av **Fritz Kraut** » 19 dec 2001, 11:27

Jägarvänner!

Här är en länk till en fin sida om .22 Hornet:

http://homepages.ihug.com.au/~bkhornet/22hornet.htm

Fritz

Inlägg av **mecke** » 21 dec 2001, 09:39

Hur går din .22 Hornet Fritz?

.22 Hornet är en kaliber som jag också har varit sugen på en längre tid, liknade .300 H&H.

Springer jag över en Hornet till bra pris köper jag den direkt.

/mecke

Inlägg av **Fritz Kraut** » 21 dec 2001, 23:05

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Hur går din .22 Hornet Fritz?

.22 Hornet är en kaliber som jag också har varit sugen på en längre tid, liknade .300 H&H.

Springer jag över en Hornet till bra pris köper jag den direkt.

/mecke

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Hittills har jag bara skjutit den över öppna riktmedel och inte blivit imponerad. Men bössan är en Brno och jag gillar inte deras öppna riktmedel. Jag har nämligen en likadan bössa i .222Rem, och har även med den ett elände med att få vettiga träffbilder utan kikare. Med kikare på .222Rem kommer jag efter pipfriläggning och ny distanshylsa på främre kolvbulten ner mot 20 mm på 100 m.

Jag ska montera över kikaren på .22 Hornet och se vad den går för. Men jag måste vänta tills efter helgerna eftersom kikaren är på garantireparation. Jag återkommer med ett besked så snart jag skjutit med kikare. Dessutom ska jag passa in ett riktigt pärlkorn, så att jag kan skjuta bra med öppna riktmedel. Jag umgås med planer att förse den med en diopter, o jag bara kan hitta en snygg lösning.

Letar Du efter .22 Hornet, rekommenderar jag gärna Brno. Dels modell Fox, som är rå men bra, dels den gamla ZKW 565 som har en helt annan finish och bearbetning än Foxen. Jag har en sådan från 1949, som väl knappt varit i skogen. Den har kostat 1500:-, vilket jag tyckte låg inom smärtgränsen.

Fritz

seved · Inlägg av **seved** » 21 dec 2001, 23:35

<img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>hej fritz

Fn jag skulle vilja ha en 22 hornet men vad gör man när man har trågnt i vapengarderoben<img src=icon_smile_angry.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_sad.gif border=0 align=middle> SUCK. Å inte vilja sälja nån bössa heller.

Inlägg av **Fritz Kraut** » 23 dec 2001, 23:40

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Fn jag skulle vilja ha en 22 hornet men vad gör man när man har trågnt i vapengarderoben<img src=icon_smile_angry.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_sad.gif border=0 align=middle> SUCK. Å inte vilja sälja nån bössa heller.

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Jag vet vad Du känner och tänker: jag var inne hos vapenhandlaren igår och höll i en gammal fin Winchesterbygel. Den var en gammal fin 94 i 32-40 och med kolvhalsdiopter. Men jag får inte köpa den utan att skilja mig från någon av mina gamla älsklingar. Och även om justitiedepartementet anser att sex är tillräckligt, så hävdar jag att man inte har nog med sex.

God Jägarjul!

Fritz

seved · Inlägg av **seved** » 24 dec 2001, 22:27

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ASGARV jag håller med det är alldeles för lite med sex.
uj uj jag förstår dej dom är fina.Jag skulle vilja ha en winchester 66:a och eller en 73:a i 44-40.Men jag har sex jakt vapen och polisen och våra folkvalda vet precis hur många vapen jag behöver och vill ha(undrar hur dom vet det jag har alldrig pratat med dom.)Jag var inne hos vapen handlarn för några veckor sen å tittade på en revolver karbin i 44-40 gissa om det vart kärlek vid första ögonkastet.<img src=icon_smile_approve.gif border=0 align=middle>

god jul seved

Dejan P · Inlägg av **Dejan P** » 27 dec 2001, 23:09

Hej!
Än så länge är jag förtjust i min .22 Hornet. Det kan ju vara så att jag ser det jag vill se, men har det inte plötsligt börja komma vapen i .22 Hornet igen? Håller man sej inom klassgränsen (3) och på "skogshåll" kan man få en snäll patron i ett mycket litet och lätt vapen. Mitt, en Springfieldcombi, väger 2020 gram laddad och kolven fylld med 14 patroner.
Min åsikt är att det inte är så mycket mer att hämta ur .22. Visst, man kan skjuta både .222R och värre ändå. Man får fart och anslagsenergi. Men får man bättre dödande egenskaper utan päls och köttförstöring? Men någonstans omkring .222R är det dax att öka diametern. Jag förstår de som älskar sin 7x33 Sako.
Den låga farten i .22 Hornet kan ge fördelen att .22 kulor som är explosiva i .222R plötsligt blir snälla. Just nu experimenterar jag med en kulvariant som kan vara ännu en lösning på kulbehov. Men det får jag presentera på annan plats.
Av köpesammunition har jag ännu bara provat Sellier & Bellot. Det paketet var bra i min bössa. Bl a var de "renare2 än 45 gamla Norma jag provade.
Sakos L46 ska ha funnits i .22 Hornet. Det borde vara ett toppenvapen.
Det är synd att vi bara får ha 6 jaktvapen. Annars skulle kanske fler våga prova en patron som spåddes att dö ut av Jan Åkerman.
Billig att ladda, lagom för klass 3 på rimliga håll. Själv tänker jag ha den till att skjuta sjöfågel som slår utanför hagelhåll och i skogen på korta håll.
Vänligen,
Dejan P

seved · Inlägg av **seved** » 27 dec 2001, 23:22

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jag har hört att hylsorna inte håller så bra när man laddar 22hornet.Stämmer det.

mvh seved

Ruger · Inlägg av **Ruger** » 28 dec 2001, 00:24

Du har rätt , Dejan. Jag älskar min 7x33 sako. Den kan allt 22 Hornet kan och en hel del till, den är ju en klass 2:a.
Men hörrnini, alla som har en kvinnlig hälft i familjen, gör som jag.
Investera i en jägarexamenskurs för lilla frugan och vips så kan man skaffa ytterligare sex vapen. Inom familjen får man ju låna vapen av varann utan lånepapper. Det räcker att medföra fruns licens.

seved · Inlägg av **seved** » 29 dec 2001, 02:00

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Har tänkt på det där min samboa ska ta jägarexamen men var tveksam om man kunde låna vapnen utan lånelicens.Men det kan man alltså.Det knepiga är hur man skall förvara dom om man har mycke vapen förut.

mvh seved

Ruger · Inlägg av **Ruger** » 03 jan 2002, 23:42

Alla vapenskåp certifierade enl. SIS 3492 är godkända för förvaring av 20 vapen. Sen kan det ju bli lite trångt rent fysiskt beroende på vilket skåp man har. Sen räknar ju polismyndigheten enhandsvapen som två vapen förvaringsmässigt, dvs. en revolver och en studsare är tre vapen( halvdana på matte). Men det går ju alltid att skaffa ett skåp till, så har jag gjort.
Ruger

jörre · Inlägg av **jörre** » 04 jan 2002, 14:19

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jag har hört att hylsorna inte håller så bra när man laddar 22hornet.Stämmer det.

mvh seved

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Hej Seved!

Jag tog mig friheten att svar i Dejans ställe,*l*!
Jag skjuter och laddar ammo till 22 Hornet,och jag har
funnit att dom tål minst 5 helkalibreringar efter att
ha blivit skjutna!
Jag har olika fabrikat i hylsväg,dom jag tänker på är RWS
som jag laddat om 5 ggr då!
I olika forum så är just 5 omladdningar för 22 Hornet det som nämns
kan jag tillägga!
Hylshalsen är lätt att stuka när man sätter i en kula,godset är
väldigt tunt jämfört med en 243 Win till exempel.
Jag återkommer med info i ämnet,ska prova och ladda om RWS-hylsorna
tills något händer med dom,*ler*!

Hälsningar,Jörre!

Jörre

seved · Inlägg av **seved** » 06 jan 2002, 02:19

Ja jag har hört att dom är benägna att spricka när man kalibrerar dom,men 22 k hornet skall vara bättre.<img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>

mvh seved

Dejan P · Inlägg av **Dejan P** » 15 jan 2002, 22:35

Hej!
Än så länge så laddar jag om de 45 Norma patronerna jag fick tag i. Vet ännu inte hur många ggr det går att använda dem. Men en hylsa tycks vara lite felaktig efter varje (hals)kalibrering. Fast jag är petig och kastar häldre än riskerar nåt trassel i skogen. Jag försökte ladda om S&B hyllsorna men utstötarnålen fastnade i tändhålet. Jag kunde inte se några fel på S&B hyllsorna efter att de skjutits en gång. Jag har även 50 Remmingtonhylsor att ladda. Men det tar nog minst några hundra skott till innan jag vet vilken hylsa som funkar bäst eller om det är svårt att få dem att hålla. Jag har inte fått någon "ihopknyckling" som det talas om ibland. Det viktiga är kanske att ha rena hylsor, grada, smörja försiktigt och dra jämnt i spaken? Jag vågar helt enkelt inte svara något säkert än.
Men jag undrar hur ni andra resonerar om "crimp" för .22 Hornet? Jag har inte prövat det.
Vänligen,
Dejan

Inlägg av **Fritz Kraut** » 16 jan 2002, 17:22

Hej!

Intressant diskussion detta. Men vad använder Ni när Ni laddar? Kulor - krut - laddvikter - tändhattar?

Jag har inte kommit i gång med att ladda kalibern än, så jag är lite vergirig. Men jag slängde ut frågan på http://www.accuratereloading.com i höstas och fick en massa trevliga svar. Amrisarna rekommenderade förresten varmt ett krut från Hogdon, Lil´gun, som skulle vara suveränt för .22 Hornet. Finns det i Sverige?

Hälsningar

Fritz

ruger1 · Inlägg av **ruger1** » 17 jan 2002, 13:53

Hej Dejan!!!
Jag har ingen erfarenhet av att ladda 22 Hornet men det jag kom att tänka på när jag läste ditt inlägg var. Att utstötarnålen fastnade i tändhålet på S&B hylsorna, jag laddar om hylsor av S&B i kalibern 9,3X72R och har märkt att tändhålen inte håller de mått som är standard. Vilket medför att man antingen får brocha upp hållet till standard mått, vilket krävs om man vill använda standard tänhattar, eller så får man köpa S&B tändhattar som finns hos Staffansvapen. Märkligt men de håller alltså inte standardmått på tändhållet men i övrigt!!!
Mvh Jonas...

Dejan P · Inlägg av **Dejan P** » 20 jan 2002, 13:59

Hej!
Ta nu mina laddata med en nypa salt. Mitt vapen kan vara mycket olkt andra. Först uteslöt jag Normas rekomendation om att använda 200-krut. Alldeles för låg fart. Normas support gav rådet att prova N-123. Rådet var att maxladdningen är 9.0 grains, men att hyllsorna håller betydligt längre vid lägre laddvikt. För mej är det så att inte ens 9.2 tätar. Jag ligger just nu på en laddvikt av 9.4 grains. Och det brinner inte rent. Från Amerikat har jag fått råd om flera krut, bl a Winchester (som laddar riktirt snabba fabrikspatroner) och främst 2400. 2400 ska vara framtaget just för .22 Hornet. Men med en dollar som är så hög vete fan. Mitt nästa krut blir nog n-110 som är lite snabbare än N-123 (som tydligen ska ut ur sortimentet.)

Men ladda nu inte med min laddning på en gång!

De kulor jag använder är Sako´s 45 grains och en egentillverkad/ombyggd variant. (Anledningen att jag inte redovisat den är att de bilder jag scannar blir så förbaskat stora. Jag har inte lärt mej att "kympa".)
Jag kommer att brotcha S&B-hyllsorna.
Om 150 omladdningar behöver jag köpa nya kulor. Speers kula för 118 Bee verkar intressant, trots sin urusla bc.
Vänligen,
Dejan P

Dejan P · Inlägg av **Dejan P** » 18 feb 2002, 15:33

Hej!
En amerikansk läsövning:
"ONE SWIFT HORNET"

A MECHAM LOW WALL AND JRP CUSTOM BULLETS PROVIDE OUTSTANDING COMBIINATION. BY M.L. MCPHERSON

SINCE THE .22 WCF (THE MODERN .22 HORNET) WAS ONE OF THE ORIGINAL CHAMBERINGS FOR WINCHESTERS MODEL OF 1885, SINGLE SHOT, IT IS FITTING THAT STEVE MEACHAM IS NOW OFFERING THE .22 HORNET IN HIS SUPEERB WINCHESTER FALLING BLOCK REPRODUCTIONS. AND WITH THE ADVENT OF AN ENTIRELY NEW CLASS OF LIGHTWEIGHT BULLETS MANUFACTURED TO BENCHREST QUALITY STANDARDS, THE .22 HORNET TAKES ON AN ENTIRELY NEW DIMENSION. JRP CUSTOM BULLETS HAS OFFERED .22 CALLIBER BULLETS IN 22-, 25-, AND 30- GRAIN WEIGHTS. OWNING TO SUPERIOR AERODYNAMIC SHAPE, DESPITE MODEST WEIGHT, THEY HAVE SURPRISINGLY HIGH BC’S, WHICH CONTRIBUTES TO REDUCED WIND DRIFT, FLATTER TRAJECTORY AND IMPROVED DOWN-RANGE VELOCITY.

ON THE FACTORY LOAD FRONT, WINCHESTER OFFERS A 34 GRAIN HP AND HORNADY OFFERS A 35 GRAIN V-MAX. THESE FACTORY OFFERINGS RAISE TH BAR ON HORNET PERFORMANCE. HORNADY’S LOAD GENERATES AN HONEST .,330 FPS IN MY MEACHAM RIFLE. THIS LOD PRODUCES SPECTACULAR KILLS ON SMALL VERMIN TO AN HONEST 150 YARDS. ON CALM DAYS, HITS AT LONGER RANGES ARE ENTIRELY WITHIN THE CAPABILITIES OF THIS RIFLE AND LOADS. HOWEVER, AS RANGE STRETCHES, VELOCITY DROPS OFF RA[IDLY; KILLS ARE NEITHER SPECTACULAR NOR NECESSARILY INSTANEOUS.

HANDLOADS WITH THE JRPS OFFER PERFORMANCE THAT IS COMPLETELY OUT OF PROPORTION TO THE DIMINUTIVE HORNET, RAISING THE BAR TO AN UNPRECEDENTED LEVEL. USING NORMA R123, IT IS ENTIRELY FEASIBLE TO SAFELY LAUNCH THE 22 GRAIN JRP AT 4140 FPS FROM MY MEACHAM RIFLE. ORIGINAL .220 SWIFT FACTORY ADVERTISED BALLISTICS SPECIFIED 4140 FPS, HENCE THE SWIFT REFERENCE. ALLIANT’S READILY AVAILBLE POWER PISTOL MANAGES 4040 FPS.

WHILE THIS IS STARTLING VELOCITY FOR SUCH A DATED CARTRIGE OF SUCH DIMINUTIVE SIXE, ACCURACY IS THE MOST IMPRESSIVE ASPECT OF THIS LOAD.

BEFORE DETAILING ACCURACY, I HAVE TO NOTE THE SURPRISINGLY GOOD TRAJECTORY AND WIND DRIFT VALUES. I DEVELOPED THE FOLLOWING TABLE USING "QUICK TARGET" (THE EXTERIOR BALLISTICS COMPANION TO "QUICK LOAD" AN INTERNAL BALLISTICS PREDICTOR PROGRAM: (800) 451-3550, ASSUMING TYPICAL VARMINTING CONDITIONS FOR MY NECK OF THE WOODS. (ALL LOAD DATA BASED UPON A BC DERIVED USING "QUICK BULLET", PART OF A PLANED "QUICK LOAD" SISTER PROGRAM.)

OBVIOUSLY, THIS LOADING OFFERS SUFFICIENT ENERGY AND VELOCITY TO PRODUCE SPECTACULAR RESULTS PAST 250 YARDS. THE ONLY REAL LIMITATION IS WIND DRIFTL

CONSIDERING THE ACCURACY OF THIS RIFLE, ONLY A CALM DAY I WOULD NOT HESITATE A 300 YARD SHOT. THIS BRINGS US BACK TO ACCURACY: JUST HOW GOOD IS THIS RIFLE WITH THIS LOAD?

THIS PROJECT STARTED WHEN I SENT THE RIFLE TO A FRIEND PETE FORRAS, A SERIOUS BENCHREST SHOOTER WITH THE SKILL AND EQUIPMENT TO REALLY WRING OUT A RIFLE. HE HAD JUST ACQUIRED A SELECTION OF LIGHTWEIGHT JRP BULLETS AND WAS ANXIOUS TO TRY THEM IN THE MEACHAM HORNET. HE CALLED AND ASKED ME TO USE "QUICKLOAD" TO DETERMINE THE BEST POWDERS TO TRY, AND TO ESTIMATE STARTING LOADS FOE THESE ENTIRELY NEW COMBINATIONS.

BASED UPON PPRIOR EXPERIENCE, USING MOLY-PLATED BULLETS IN THE 35 GRAIN RANGE, I SUSPECTED THAT WE WOULD BE VERY LIMITED IN POWDER CHOICE AND I GUESSED THAT POWER PISTOL MIGHT BE THE ONLY GOOD OPTION FOR THE LIGHTEST JRP BULLETS. "QUICKLOAD" CONFIRMED MY GUESS. ONLY TWO POWDERS HAD MUCH OF WORKING WELL WITH THESE BULLETS IN THE HORNET CASE: R123 AND POWER PISTOL. SINCE PETE DID HOT HAVE ACCESS TO NORMA’S R123. HE WORKED EXCLUSIVELY WITH POWER PISTOL.

SOON, HE CALLED BACK WITH NEWS. FIRST, HE TESTED SEVERAL OF MY MORE CONVENTIONAL LOADS. HE HAD NO TROUBLE PRODUCING SUB ½ MOA, FIVE SHOT GROUPS. WHICH WAS BETTER THAN I HAD DONE WITH THE SAME LOADS IN THE SAME GUN. THOSE WHO HAVE NOT WORKED WITH 5HE HORNET MIGHT FULLY APPRECIATE JUST HOW IMPRESSIVE ½ MOA IS. KEEP IN MIND THIS IS NO MODERN BENCHREST CHAMBERING, THIS IS A CARTRIGE HERALDING FROM THE 1880’S WITH ALL MANNER OF DESIGN FAULTS. IT’S FAIR TO SAY, IF ONE SET OUT TO DESIGN A CARTRIDGE THAT WOULD BE MOST DIFFICULT TO DEVELOP ACCURATE LOADS IN, ONE COULD HARDLY DO WORSE THAN THE HORNET.

REGARDING PETE’S JRP BULLET TESTING, HE WAS SIMPLY ECSTATIC. HE HAD LAUNCHED THE 22 GRAIN VERSION AT 4040 FPS WITH SAFE LOADS. HOWEVER ACCURACY WAS NO BETTER THAN SO-SO STILL SUB-MOA BUT NOTHING TO FULMINATE ABOUT. WHAT HAD HIM EXCITED WAS THE 25 GRAIN LOADING. HUNDRED YARD, FIVE SHOT ACCURACY CONSISTENTLY IN THE THREES. I THE THREES IS BENCHREST PARLANCE FOR GROUPS THAT RUN SMALLER THAN .4 INCHES CENTER TO CENTER. CLEARLY, WE ARE ON TO SOMETHING.

PETE THEN RETURNED THE RIFLE, ALONG WITH A BATCH OF HIS LOADS WITH MOLY PLATED 25 GRAIN JRP BULLETS. SINCE PETE HAD REPORTED SMALLER GROUPS WHEN FIRING MY AMMO, MY PRIMARY GOAL WAS TO FIGURE OUT WHAT I WAS DOING WRONG AT THE BENCH. IT ALL COMES BACK TO CONSISTENCY. IN TESTING I FIRED THREE FIVE SHOT GROUPS ON EACH OF SEVERAL TARGETS. FOR THE FIRST GROUP, I USED A NORMAL HOLD – I RESTED MY CHEEK GENTLY ON THE STOCK AND LOOSELY GRASPED THE PISTOL GRIP. NEXT, I USED A MORE RIGID HOLD. FINALLY, I FIRED THE GUN IN FREE RECOIL. AFTER SETTING THE TRIGGER AND PROPERLY ALIGNING THE SIGHTS, I HLED MY SHOULDER SLIGHTLY OFF THE BUTTPLATE AND DID NOT TOUCH THE RIFLE, EXCEPT TO NUDGE THE TRIGGER. SINCE THE TRIGGER WAS ADJUSTED TO RELEASE ONLY WITH OUNCES OF PRESSURE, I COULD FIRE THE RIFLE WITHOUT DISTURBING IT. THIS TECHNIQUE REQUIRES ADEQUATE BAGS AND AN ADJUSTABLE FRONT REST BUT IS FEASIBLE.

EVIDENTLY, THE PROBLEM WAS THE "NUT BEHIND THE STOCK". IF THE RESULTS WERE REPRESENTATIVE, I WAS NOT ABLE TO HOLD THE RIFLE IN A SUFFICIENTLY CONSISTANT MANNER. MY FREE RECOIL GROUPS WERE CONSISTENTLY SMALLEST; MY TIGHT HOLD GROUPS WERE CONSISTANTLY LARGEST. ADMITTEDLY, THE GROUPS PICTURED WITH THIS COLUMN ARE THE BEST; NEVERTHELES, THESE ARE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE GENERAL PATTERN.

MY 200 YARD TESTING SHOWED THE ONE FLAW IN THESE POWER PISTOL LIGHT BULLET LOADS; EXCESSIVE SHOT TO SHOT VELOCITY SPREAD. R123 DOES BETTER. IN ONE 20 SHOT STRING, STANDARD DEVIATION WAS 45 FPS AND EXTREME SPREAD WAS 157 FPS. THAT IS CERTIANLY NOTHING TO WRITE HOME ABOUT, AND RESULTED IN SIGNIFICANT VERTICALSTRINGING AT 200 YARDS. NOTE THAT IN ALL THE PICTURED GROUPS, HORIZONTAL STRINGING, WHICH I AM CERTAIN RESULTED FROM MY INABILITY TO ADEQUATELY JUDGE THE WIND, ADDS TO THE VERTICAL STRINGING TO PRODUCE REASONABLY ROUND GROUPS. I DID GET QUITE LUCKY ON A 200 YARD FREE RECOIL GROUP; THE CRONOGRAPH RECORDED VELOCITIES FOR ALL FIVE SHOTS WITHIN A 20 FPS RANGE. THE RESULT WAS SPECTACULAR…..ALAS, WHY IS THERE ALWAYS ONE ERRANT SHOT?

AS A FINAL TEST, I ADJUSTED THE SCOPE SLIGHTLY AND DID A BIT OF PLINKING AT FIST SIZED ROCKS ON THE 300 YARD BERM. BY DOPING A FEW INCHES INTO THE SLIGHT BREEZE, I COULD NOT MISS.

CLEARLY, THIS IS ONE ACCURATE COMBINATION. OUT OF MORE THAN 100 ROUNDS FIRED ON A CALM DAY, WITH A PROPER ZERO AND A CENTER OF MASS HOLD, NOT ONE SHOT WOULD HAVE MISSED A GROUND SQUIRREL AT ANY RANGE OUT TO 300 YARDS. NOW THAT IS GENUINELY SERIOUS PERFORMANCE FOR ANY VARMINT RIFLE. FOR A HORNET, IT IS PHENMINAL.

THE ONLY LOAD SHOWN:

BRASS; R-P

PRIMER; R-P 5 ½

POWDER; POWER PISTOL

BULLET; 25 GRAIN .224 MOLY COATED

Såg ni?
R-123 till så lätta kulor.
Vänligen,
Dejan P

Dejan P · Inlägg av **Dejan P** » 21 feb 2002, 14:09

Hej!
Har kommer mer aintressant läsning. De tysta laddningarna och inomhusladdningarna verkar spännande.
Vänligen,
Dejan P

Cast Bullets in the Ruger
Hornet.....Paco
Quietly about four years or more ago Ruger put into production not one but two 22 Hornet rifles. Both on the Ruger 77/22 action, they have a heavy barrel varmint grade and a short and handy standard grade.
The standard grade with it’s 20 inch barrel, good classic lines and sturdy construction promised to be a winner of a shooter.
Loading data is plentiful, and most know the round produces velocities up to around 2800 to 3000 fps with 40 and 45 grain jacketed bullets. But cast bullet loads in the Hornet always seem to take second place. It’s a shame when you consider the round was developed with lead bullets back in the 1890s.
Right from the box my Standard grade Ruger Hornet wanted to shoot, I started the tests with one jacketed bullet, the very fine Hornady V-Max 40 grain bullet just to see what it’s accuracy potential would be. I like this bullet because of it’s boat tailed shape. It’s easy to load and for a round that has limited range, this bullet’s drop out to 250 yards is minimal. I used Lyman molds for the cast tests, 225450R a 49 grain pointed bullet and their 22596 a 46 grain flat nose, for hunting cast bullets Lyman’s 225462 is a 56 grain bullet and 225438 is a 49 grain bullet. The ability to load cast bullets from 22 long rifle velocities to 22 magnum rim fire, then on to varmint center fire velocities, up to 3000 fps, gives real versatility to the Hornet.
One of the first things that surprised me about this rifle was it’s velocity potential from a 20 inch barrel. I expected a loss of 40 fps per inch under 22 inch barrel velocities. But happily it didn’t happen. And why is still a mystery I haven’t solved. And of course all things being equal, cast bullets will give higher velocities than jacketed bullets with the same powder levels. Neck sized cases fired in the Ruger’s chamber, hold 11.6 grains of 2400, and rechamber without a hitch. With that load the V-Max gave 2789 fps and an average of five/three shot groups was .91 inch. The smallest group going into .62 inch, several fliers opened the average. With a little load development I’m sure close to half inch groups would be the norm.
The 1 in 14 twist of the rifling is fairly standard and will stabilize cast bullets all the way up to 56 grains. Even with the velocity down to 2200 fps they went into 1.2 inch groups @100 yrds....below 2200 fps this long bullet put holes in the paper that began to show oblong profiles. The lighter cast bullets even at velocities as low as 1000 fps shot very well. As I said, a Hornet rifle can shine in an area few write about extensively...cast loads. The Hornet because of it’s limited case capacity, gives balance and efficiency to cast loads. Which in turn means fine accuracy with decent power.
First a word about how to cast exceptionally good .224 caliber bullets. For 8 years (1981 to 1989), I was the Technical Editor for the bi-monthly magazine of the Cast Bullet Association. When you write for those boys you have to have your facts right. So I learned a great deal about cast bullet shooting. Their bench rest groups with cast bullets, rival jacketed bullet bench rest groups. One of the first things I learned was that there was a good deal of mis-information believed by many shooters about cast bullets.
For example velocity...it is generally believed that cast bullets must be kept to around 2200 to 2400 fps for the highest velocities and still maintain accuracy and keep down fouling. Well using the Lyman mould 22596, the 46 grain flatnose bullet over 11.6 grains of 2400 gave 2791 fps and went into a 0.95 inch group at 100 yards. And that was not exceptional...just average. To get this kind of performance I use only excellent moulds for small caliber bullets...no others may even apply. Then I do things a bit backwards to conventional wisdom. I recommend HANDLOADER’S Bullet Making Annual of 1990 (Wolfe Publications, still available), it is a wealth of good solid information that will help you cast outstanding bullets.
First for hunting and shooting groups with cast, I use the best base lead I can. For playing and plinking, wheel weights and other sources may be fine. But when accuracy must be at it’s best, then the alloy must also be excellent. I use high antimony lead shot. Magnum lead shot has 6% antimony in it, standard shot has 3% in it, I use the magnum with the higher antimony content. I buy the off size 25 lb bags that go on sale after bird season. Dropping 19 lbs in my 20 lb pot, I then add one lb of 95% plumbers tin wipe into it. I turn the pot’s temperature up to it’s highest and put a heavy cover of tinfoil over it to keep the temperature consistent, and the oxidation down to a minimum. I flux and stir often while casting to re-mix any oxidation of ingredients. I have never had tin burn off from a hot pot!!!! Old wives tale....the first bullets are as hard as the last...always.
This high heat casting does two things that are critical with small caliber bullets. It helps keep air out of the bullets and it fills the cavities out completely. It also makes the bullets frosty, which I have never found a problem, it actually helps hold the lube. One of the imperative things with small cast bullets is to eliminate air in the mould. It’s a killer to bullet weight and accuracy. Small caliber moulds need to have their vent lines deepened. Do it with a sharp pointed scribe, going over every other line, off set on each side...opposite to each other. The vent lines may show up on the bullets cast, but will come off in the lube sizer and will not hurt accuracy. Vent lines on the bullet mean the air is out of the bullets.
I cast bullets and drop them from the mold into a high can of water...when they sizzle I know they are tempering....this combination gives a bhn hardness of near 22. Yet because they are 1 in 19 alloy they will expand even at lower velocities. With a good lube like Apache Blu made for high velocity cast bullet shooting, fouling is kept to a minimum. Twenty pounds of alloy will probably make more bullets than you are ready to sit thru at one casting session. Well over 3000 with around a 45 grain weight. At today’s prices for magnum shot and plumbers tin/lead wipe....the cost per bullet is less than a penny each. That’s 3000 bullets for about 25 plus bucks....$15 for the shot and $10 for the tin.
I wait 24 hours for the hardness to set and then size and lube. Care must be taken in sizing, all can be ruined with a bullet going even a slight amount sideways into the sizing die. It changes the point of balance and the bullet at best will wobble out of the group, or at worst miss the target completely. I use crimp on gas checks exclusively. It takes a little work to make good cast bullets but it is worth it.
One of the fun loads that I found was a bit surprising...using ReLoader #7 with 12 grains and the Lyman 49 grain 225438 bullet, the Ruger Hornet gave 2540 fps. But the groups were excellent at 1.1 inch...the surprising part was I fired 25 rounds into the same group without heat walking or fouling opening the group. And with good muzzle energy above 750 ft.lbs. This bullet will expand in small game. In fact I even got some expansion with 2.7 grains of Bullseye under this bullet fired into wet phone books at 50 yards....and that load groups into one ragged hole. 4 grains of Unique gave 1692 fps and 1.78 inch groups at 100 yards, which is better than many 22 rim fire rifles.
This little Ruger Hornet allows you to see the target being hit (or missed as the case may be), especially with cast loads. The friction is less in the barrel so the recoil is lessened, in a rifle already with low recoil. Even with the heavy weight Lyman 225462/56 grain bullet over 11 grains of ReLoader #7 at 2220 fps the recoil is negligible and allows seeing the target hit. And this load goes into 3/4 ths of an inch at 100 yards, and is better than a 22 magnum rimfire. With H4227 and 11.2 grains the same bullet gives 2500+ fps and sub MOA accuracy and will rip large hunks out of jack rabbits or any other pests or vermin you turn it on. I know it spoils the day for any coyotes that are foolish enough to answer my calls. Feral cats always leap 15 feet straight up...they have springs in their butts.
My fired and neck sized cases held 13.6 grains of WW680...putting the 56 grain Lyman over that load gave 2820 fps for the fastest load with the heaviest cast bullet! It’s flying gyroscopically but ready to come apart in substantial sized animals like coyotes. This load hovers at 3/4 ths of an inch at 100 yards...but the nice thing is it keeps it’s accuracy all the way out to 250 yards...1 and ½ inches at 150 yards...2 and 1/4 inches at 200 yards and near 4 inches at 250 yards, off the bench. I like this load and bullet in this Ruger Hornet. I shot at rocks and such well past 250 yards, but like most I feel the Hornet’s range on live animals is less than 250 yards.
After 20 or so rounds of cast, I run a dry patch thru the Ruger’s bore and accuracy stays consistent. Every once in a while I will fire a backwards loaded flat base jacketed bullet thru the bore at around 2000 fps...that cleans everything out...especially any leading that might be forming.
Flat nosed 46 grain bullets like the 22596 at 1400 fps or so will sure surprise a squirrel that’s used to defeating the 22 rim fire hunter by laying on the top of thick branches. I have fired right up through the bottom of branches and right on through the squirrel, taking him off the branch and down into my game bag. And without a lot of meat damage.
For real fun without a lot of noise, take a handful of 24 caliber magnum shot balls, a rifle primer and a 1/8 th grain of Bullseye (I put a wisp of Dacron fiber over the powder charge holding it to the primer). These shotgun balls have a hard coating over them and are rated for 1100 fps velocity from scatter guns so this load won’t foul. Squeeze the ball into the mouth of the chamfered case...hand feed them into the chamber. They will go thru a 2X4...so don’t use them in a barn aiming at the roof or a garage wall as a backstop. No louder than a cap gun they are one hole accurate at 25 yards. With just a small pistol magnum primer and a 22 caliber air rifle pellet squeezed into the case, you get the same accuracy, and you can eliminate pests in a barn without worry over holes in the roof. With a box stuffed with newsprint they make great indoor practice loads.
The 22 Hornet is a special and fun caliber/cartridge, and the Ruger 77/22 is a classic rifle. They are soul mates together.
LYMAN 225450R/46g 4/Unique 1692fps 1.78 inch/100yr
S/A 2.7 Bullseye 1327 fps 1 ragged hole 25 yr
S/A 3.6/4756 1113 fps 0.90 inch 50 yr
LYMAN 22596/46FN 5/Unique 2150 fps 0.75 inch 100 yr 22 Mag RF class
S/A 9.6/2400 2401 fps 0.67 inch 100 yr
S/A 11.6/2400 2791 fps 0.95 inch 100 yr.
Lyman 225462/56 gr 11.6/2400 2728 fps 1.3 inch 100 yr.
S/A 13.6/WW680 2820 fps 0.75 inch 100 yr.
S/A 11/ReLoader #7 2220 fps 0.75 inch 100 yr.
S/A 11.2/H4227 2502 fps 0.69 inch 100yr.
S/A 11/WW680 2520 fps 0.90 inch 100 yr.
LYMAN 225438/49gr. 5 Unique 2112 fps 1.4 inch 100yr.

S/A 8/2400 2222 fps 1.3 inch 100 yr.
S/A 12/ReLoader #7 2540 fps 1.1 inch 100 yr.

Dejan P · Inlägg av **Dejan P** » 04 jun 2002, 00:15

Hej!
Sedan det skrevs sist under denna rubrik så har flera frafört funderingar runt .222R. Fundera om inte .22 Hornet kan vara ett bra alternativ.
Vänligen,
Dejan P

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