GREETINGS FROM GREECE

[Nikos77]

Well, that's the new point Peter! I post you here some setups for some shotshells in 12/70 to make you understand better some things!

If you make 2 passes and you do crimp + roll, then you have to leave 10mm from the top of the hull
If you make 3 passes and you do crimp + third stage + roll, then you have to leave up to 12mm from the top of the hull
With the four stage closure and the you can have the perfect hull at12 mm free space
With the four stage closure and the special third stage crimper you can go up to 13 or 14mm free space
with the five stage you will be able to obtain some more advantages...

The point is this one, as example:
A1 - 12/70 - 1.60x32gr - SuperG 22 - * - 58mm [11mm free space]
A1 - 12/70 - 1.60x32gr - SuperG 19 - * - 58mm [13mm free space]

So the point is that you will not need to decrease the quantity of lead, but to decrease just one step the wad height!

The advantage is more initial velocity, more residual velocity and more concentration of the lead on the target!

About the text, it means:
FIVE PASS CLOSURE WITH 12 FREE SPACE
HALF CRIMP - CONIC CRIMP - THIRD STAGE - SIMPLE FOURTH STAGE - ROLL [here is the normal third stage + normal fourth stage]
ΑΜΡ5ΑΣΜ2Π is the codename of my machine and it means AbsoluteRollingMachine5IndipendentStagesWith2Pistons

In the next few days, I will post alla the new series of pics, with the high quality third stage fo 14mm and the new four stage tool!

Kind regards!

[culot]

Nikos,

do you think i shoot light load like 32gr

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[Nikos77]

That's excactly what I am trying to said to you Peter!

With the 5 stages closure, you will not need anymore to use more that 36~40gr of lead!

Kind regards!

[culot]

That's excactly what I am trying to said to you Peter!

With the 5 stages closure, you will not need anymore to use more that 36~40gr of lead!

Kind regards!

It must be lead in the air to kill birds

/ P

[Nikos77]

That's the main point my friend! You use the old manner and you put too mutch lead to kill the birds, and we did the opposite, we put normal lead shoots to shoot the ducks from 40 to 60 real distance meters with our special technology!!!

Here is the presentetion of my own machine in my website: http://www.idiogomosi.com/pages/posts/a ... os-609.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I am editing the first video for my friend Mihalos and I will give you the link tomorrow... My machine is ready, but I have to wait a couple of accessories and after I will be able to do some special shotshells!!! I have many things to tell you about the high velocity and high concentration normal wieght shoots!!!

Kind regards!

[culot]

That's the main point my friend! You use the old manner and you put too mutch lead to kill the birds, and we did the opposite, we put normal lead shoots to shoot the ducks from 40 to 60 real distance meters with our special technology!!!

Here is the presentetion of my own machine in my website: http://www.idiogomosi.com/pages/posts/a ... os-609.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I am editing the first video for my friend Mihalos and I will give you the link tomorrow... My machine is ready, but I have to wait a couple of accessories and after I will be able to do some special shotshells!!! I have many things to tell you about the high velocity and high concentration normal wieght shoots!!!

Kind regards!

So long it contend JK6B or A1 special powder im interrested

/P

[Nikos77]

Here you are Peter, Mr.Giannis is one of our best reloaders!

ΜΗΧΑΝΕΣ & ΕΡΓΑΛΕΙΑ / Απ: ΔΕΥΤΕΡΟ ΣΤΑΔΙΟ ΚΩΝΙΚΗΣ ΧΑΡΑΞΗΣ
« στις: 14/11/2013, 20:34 »
κλησημο στα 16 χηλ καληκας σεντητ 69μμ cx2000 Α1speciale 1,90χ32 Ν05 sg12 πρασηνος αστερη 8ρι με 5 σταδια στα 56,5 βαθος ρελιου 2χηλ

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A1 SPECIAL - 12/69.00 - CX2000 - 1.90x32gr/N.5 - SuperG 12 green wad - 16mm free hull space - 8/* - 5 stages crimp at 56.50mm of finish shotshell

And here is Mr.Kostas today shotshells, the inventor of the five stages, with my own design Cortini S1 special roller and his Cortini 1x1 super modified roller on special request for the five stages:

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Kind regards!

[Nikos77]

New special technology eretic false wad shotshells with 40gr/N.5 from Mr.Thodoris on flying duck from 45 to 65 real distance meters!!! Peter, do not tell me that the ducks need a lot of lead to be killed



kind regards!

[culot]

Nikos,

A1 SPECIAL - 12/69.00 - CX2000 - 1.90x32gr/N.5 - SuperG 12 green wad - 16mm free hull space - 8/* - 5 stages crimp at 56.50mm of finish shotshell.

1,90x32 must be a contradosi load ? We don't have the humidity you see in Ital and Greece and no either the heat.

I now you have you can see weary high speed from, light lead charges with high powder dose, what kind of speed you see from Mr,x. load
or from the A1SP load above? Next problem you see with high speed is deforming of shot = creating "flyers " but in the other way a short
shot colume is more ideal in the barrel, so there is probably a win/win situation, it's interresting.

/ P

[Nikos77]

Well, that's another point of view dear Peter!

We know that in your country there is a lot of snow and ice, but also here we have some low temperatures under zero and also very high % of humidity!!! The point is the "controdosi" works also in our country and in your country well and if you can handle them in the right way...you will take the duck over your proper limits!

Here is my todays hybrid stage [third + fourth stage in one stage], but only for 11 and 12 mm, just to save time for the small birds high velocity shotshells!



Kind regards!

[culot]

Well, that's another point of view dear Peter!

We know that in your country there is a lot of snow and ice, but also here we have some low temperatures under zero and also very high % of humidity!!! The point is the "controdosi" works also in our country and in your country well and if you can handle them in the right way...you will take the duck over your proper limits!

Here is my todays hybrid stage [third + fourth stage in one stage], but only for 11 and 12 mm, just to save time for the small birds high velocity shotshells!



Kind regards!

Well even if santa claus came from sweden , there are no icebear on our street

Ok ! It's a contradosi taken to an extra level ? All this is great if you have hits in the pattern
Any pattern pict of these high speed loads ? Standard 35 m is okay for me

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[Nikos77]

Here is the pics and the super modified extra long barrel gun of Mr.Thodoris...the mad who has the longhest record in our country, with SP2 and 40gr/N.5 lead on 75mt and on 95mt real distance and with 6/0 lead and 18 of 45 BBs on the target at that distance!

Link: http://www.idiogomosi.com/pages/posts/t ... ra-585.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Here is our new technology of the over 13mm of free hull space and arrives till to 16mm of free hull space!!!

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Kind regards!

[culot]

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Nikos,

Explain the difference betvine half compressed " O " vs non compressed " O" from the Gualandi wad ,
Will it get powder time to burn and create gas or what? ...

/ P

[Nikos77]

Well, let's see what we have here!

The official presentation of my new machine: http://www.idiogomosi.com/pages/posts/a ... os-609.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
And the new section under construction for the high velocity non conventional balistic shotshells: http://www.idiogomosi.com/pages/idiogomosi-eae.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;



Look Peter, our kids has discovered last year on late November a new closing system of non conventional balistic closing system, and they bring it over every mechanical limit with their capabilities and with their non stop test on the field!!!

Now, all together and with reciprocal collaboration, we start uncover that technology to the worldwide reloaders, and as every beginning...the people do not believe us immediately...but that's a fact for every thing...so we will wait till the people gave us their congratulations!

The point is that we can handle with the multi stage special closing system the free hull space, the combustion area of the powder and some other minority factors... In that way, we are capable to obtain some high velocity shotshells with normal lead weights and of course with bigger concentration on the target and with smaller tail of the lead, so in that way the lead hit the birds all together and the multiple hits on the bird make it drop instantaneously!!!!

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Kind regards!

[culot]

Nikos,

I have seen the pict of recovered wads with petals complete pointing backwards from these loads,
But i like to see some patterns from 35 m using lets say a 0,75 choke , and what pressure will you see from this
Loads , and what kind o speed we talking about?

/P

[Nikos77]

Well, probably you take as reference this wad, from Mr.Kostas shotshells!



The point Peter, is that I don't have under my hands some pics to post you, but I can translate what the reloaders say about their shotshells on that technology with over 13mm of free hull space!

This patern is with the FLY STEEL wad of this article: http://www.idiogomosi.com/pages/posts/p ... el-541.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;



The other invention that our reloaders has made, is the heretic buffer of oatmeal, that we can misc it with the lead and give us the way to shot about 10 to 15 meters longer shots!

Here is my demonstration of that buffer: http://www.idiogomosi.com/pages/posts/a ... is-552.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Here is one of the best shots ever from Mr.Thodoris at 68mt: http://www.idiogomosi.com/pages/posts/s ... ra-577.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
And here is the ducks with FLY STEEL + HERETIC BUFFER: http://www.idiogomosi.com/pages/posts/i ... xi-557.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Peter, that's the new video that I have dedicated to my friend Mihalos: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iB6gAkIxV64" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Kind regards!

[culot]

I load alot of buffred loads in the 90:s Mostly BPI Mix:47 buffer And the BPGS + BP12 wad system .
The powder i use was IMR4756 & 7625 mostly 43-46 gr loads in 12/70 , pattern was fantastic
But i have serious problem when hunting in strong wind , me and my hunting pal always get buffer in our eyes .
And another problem with supertight pattern , is the bird " expload" in short range ...
Btw: what happen with oatmeal in high humidity weather ?
/P

[Nikos77]

Well, that's the main differences between our countries! In your country the plastic ducks and the sounds may be legal, but in our country the law dosn't leave us to use plastic ducks or electronic sounds machines....and so...we have to shot them in longer distances as a fact!!!

The heretic buffer from oatmeal, works perfectly with the lead for the first 5 to 10 meteres, because in that range leaves the lead pattern to continue his flight and find the target! There is no problem with the humidity and there is no problem with the PMax, but we don't know if there are some problems under the raining weather...because of course the shotshells doesn't have to take water!!!

In the next days we will have some more infos about the oatmeal buffer, from a professional balistic, about the balistic coefficient and some other infos regarding that new technology! The main problem is to assemble in the correct way that kind of shotshells, as you have to take a nail and misc well the right quantity of the otameal with the lead charge!



Kind regards!

[culot]

Nikos , if you think i gona put some organic in my shells you have BIG wrong
Yes we have plastic decoys , but we use ordinairy duck calls or our voice .

Is'it. For real ? You can't use dacoys ,getting birds come in normal range ? Sounds wierd to me !

I think there are something to do i Greece

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[Nikos77]

Yes Peter, we can't use decoys and we can't use the electonic deviced to call the birds here in our country!!!

I was sure you didn't want to use the oatmeal, so to be able to handle the same performances...you will need to close in multi-stage clising procedure like our best reloaders and that's why you have to pick up the Cortini 5 piston!

Of course I will post you the new video tonight of my machine with 4 star crimp [the 4 star crimper of Gaep that never works in crimp+roll] and you will see the multi-stage procedure!

Kind regards!