.30-30 klubben
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Reminisensen
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Re: .30-30 klubben
Hej. Väntar på tillstånd från polisen sedan drygt 4 v. på en 30-30. Jag är inte ny med skjutvapen men detta blir förhoppningsvis det första egna vapnet. Jag har litet undringar kring ammunition och var man får tag i billig sådan, bortsett handladdning, för övningsskytte. Det är ju perverst dyrt så jag funderar på om jag måste skaffa en 22 lr. om jag skall kunna skjuta en massa.
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XLV
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Re: .30-30 klubben
En "mini-Winchester" i .22LR är vansinnigt kul och faktiskt inte alls dumt, haft en Winchester 94 i .22WMR men hade hellre haft en .22LR
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pininhakan
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Re: .30-30 klubben
Man får nog inte tag på billig ammo utan att handladda 30-30win.Reminisensen skrev:Hej. Väntar på tillstånd från polisen sedan drygt 4 v. på en 30-30. Jag är inte ny med skjutvapen men detta blir förhoppningsvis det första egna vapnet. Jag har litet undringar kring ammunition och var man får tag i billig sådan, bortsett handladdning, för övningsskytte. Det är ju perverst dyrt så jag funderar på om jag måste skaffa en 22 lr. om jag skall kunna skjuta en massa.
Skjut- det kan ta bättre än man tror!
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Reminisensen
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Re: .30-30 klubben
Japp, det blir till att hitta någon vänlig själ i närheten som kan ta mig under sina vingar och jag får väl vackert lära mig hantverket.
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XLV
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Re: .30-30 klubben
Konsultera YouTube, där finns faktiskt ganska mycket bra att hämta, det är lärorikt att se andra göra och sen testa självReminisensen skrev:Japp, det blir till att hitta någon vänlig själ i närheten som kan ta mig under sina vingar och jag får väl vackert lära mig hantverket.
.22LR - .222em - .308Win - 12/70
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Yrmff!!
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Re: .30-30 klubben
Jag hittade en intressant Paco artikel! 
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Y.
And now for the fun part...Rimmed Cartridges...
the 30-30 class cases....
The 30-30 first; I know like many the 30-30 wasn’t the first commercial smokeless power cartridge offered in the U.S. The 30-40 Krag in a single shot rifle was...in 1892/3 but that had limited sales. The 30-30 as most know was designed by John Browning for the 1894 Winchester Levergun which he also designed by redesigning the 1892 Winchester levergun. He did that so the rifle would take longer cartridges than the pistol rounds chambered in the ‘92. Though the 30-30 was to be the first on the market in the new rifle...it didn’t make it...stress flaws in the soft steel used in those days allowed friction wear with jacketed bullets....so the 32-40 was first chambered in the ‘94. By 1895 ‘Nickel Steel’ barrels were put on the 30-30 chambered guns. They found by adding a small amount of nickel to the steel it’s wear quotient was much higher. But then they had problems bluing the barrels...because the nickel created the same condition that stainless steel has...it doesn’t blue well if at all. So if you see an old 30-30 Winchester with what appears to be a brownish-blue barrel... it’s really old, turn of the 19/20th century.
The 30-30 started the great and never ending argument about big fat bullets at slow to moderate velocities vrs. lighter smaller bullets at high velocity and killing ability. The boys back then that used to 45-70s...44-40s...and such, looked at the small hole in the end of the 30-30 barrel and couldn’t believe it would kill well. We it did then...and still does now. And with the new powders, bullets, cartridges cases of great strength, guns made of fantastic steel today, compared to the 1890s...the 30-30 today does illustriously better than yesteryear. Certainly a 150 grain jacketed bullet at 2500 fps is a fine hunting load. The Improved case is better, and cast bullets really make it shine.
A farmer in Rhodesia (it was Northern and Southern Rhodesia in those days) had a Savage 250-3000 and a 30-30 Marlin. The man kept four large families on farms (ranches..stations..what ever they called them then) around him, in meat all the time while I was there...and I’m sure for decades later. He harvested animals as big as our elk with the 30-30 and the standard British loaded 170 grain round softnose (flat tip). Varmints and even up to large deer types, with the 250-3000 went down also. The 7.62X51mm Rimmed as the 30-30 is called in Europe, was always considered a fine target round..as well as perfect for drillings, single shot break opens, and even a few doubles. Can you image a small, trim, 30-30 double rifle...goodness that would be sweet. Our so called poor 30-30 is really an international caliber and cartridge.
Loading for it is easy...cartridge cases today are much stronger than just a few decades ago....at least I seem to crush fewer with the reloading press then I did back in the 1960s and 70s.
There are so many cast bullet molds in .308 thru .311 that it is staggering. So I use just a few here....the number one cast mold I have for the 30-30 class of leveraction rifles and the 32-20 and 30 Carbine in rifles and handguns is the Lyman .308440 which probably has been renumbered to .311440. It is a flat faced almost cylindrical bullet in my softest alloy it runs 155 grains and in my hard cast 151 grains. It’s perfect for loading tubes and transmitting shock to animals. I hear all the time this shape bullet in the 30-30 will have terrible down range ballistics.
Well loaded to 2500 fps with 36 grains of Reloader15 from my 24 inch Marlin...with a 3 inch high at 100 yards, this bullet with it’s B.C. of near .250, will be on at 200 yards and down a scant foot at 300 yards! Actual tests...not from the books. It will still be trucking at a velocity of near 2000 fps at 300 and giving all most 1300 lbs of punch out there. And that flat nose will transmit its energy well. We are not talking about some big fat flatfaced 44 or 45 caliber bullet with a ballistic co-efficient so low it’s only in the double digits. The 30 caliber starts off long and narrow for it’s weight. A comparable jacketed bullet is the Speer 130 grain Flatnosed 30-30 bullet. Loaded the same it gives basically the same ballistics. See my articles on the 30-30 for top loads for hunting and such.
This bullet over 7 grains of Red Dot in the 30-30 case or the 300 Savage case (the savage case takes one grain more of fast powder to met these 30-30 velocities with fast powder), gives near 1200 fps and near 500 lbs of punch for around 25000 CUP. 8.5 grains jumps the pressure to well over 35,000 CUP for only an additional 150 fps. Try 11 grains of Unique, it will give 1650 fps and 1000 lbs of M.E. and it is a fun load at the same pressure . Out to 150 yards it will kill game to 100 lbs without problems. I use moderate lead tempered to 16 to 18 on the B-Scale with de-tempered noses.
19.5 grains of 4759 will give close to 2000 fps..recoil is nothing and over 1300 lbs of muzzle energy. Good deer load for the younger shooters, or those that can’t take recoil. 4 grains of Bullseye will give around 1000 fps...it’s a better squirrel load than any 22RF...cheaper too. You can shoot right up thru a branch a squirrel is laying on...he’ll come off and right down into your game bag. The 311041 is a 170 grain flat nose that can take the above fast powder loads, and it kills better and is one of the most accurate I have used in my 30 caliber rifles...nice gas checked bullet that flies very flat.
The 210 grain Lyman cast soft, lubed with a flat faced nose insert in the lube sizer...will give a flat nose to this bullet so it can be loaded in the tube. Start with 3 grains of Bullseye and work down for the silent/near silent load that has power enough for close range vermin. Careful it’s not a toy load...it will kill. In my 32-40 Winchester High wall 26 inch barrel...I can hear the hammer drop...but it knocked over my 70 lb bullet trap. The trap was on a unstable 3 legged stool and that helped the topple...but still I was impressed. The 32 Winchester Special is in the same class as the 30-30 so the same loads with heavier cast bullets can be used. I use a number of .323 or 8mm molds in different weights in my 32 Specials.
Heavy cast bullets in the 16 to 18 hardness area, gas checked...nose de-tempered, I use a premium lube like ApacheBlu...with the 170 grain 311041 in my 30-30 Marlin over 31 grains of 335, it goes 2290 fps and is better than any jacketed load I have put together on large game animals like small elk. Remember the lube is important...I developed ApacheBlu back in the 1980s to over come hot temperatures...like we have in the southwest. Also it was made to allow very high velocity without the fouling....Hanned manufactures it now, and I have no real interest in the company other than the owners are friends. They make it just like I did for so many years...and it isn’t cheap. But it’s for high velocity, high temp, high pressure cast loads...the ingredients are not cheap. And there are other lubes that are cheaper...but they won’t do what ApacheBlu will do under the conditions described above. Sure a few shots will go well...but I have fired hundreds of rounds with A’Blu without fouling or the groups opening.
One trick I use is to fire a flat based jacketed bullet, loaded backwards at moderate velocity for every 20 to 30 cast rounds...cleans the barrel slick as anything else and is quick. Don’t even have to change your shooting position. The old saying is, want to find the quickest way to solve a labor problem, ask a lazy man...ApacheBlu does it...and a backwards flatbase jacketed slug every once in a while. ApacheBlu also conditions the barrel for cast loads...make sure the barrel is clean and start with A’Blu loads the groups get better with use. At least it does for me.
http://www.leverguns.com/articles/paco/ ... harges.htm
hoppas den inte varit med innan!
länk längst ner
Y.
And now for the fun part...Rimmed Cartridges...
the 30-30 class cases....
The 30-30 first; I know like many the 30-30 wasn’t the first commercial smokeless power cartridge offered in the U.S. The 30-40 Krag in a single shot rifle was...in 1892/3 but that had limited sales. The 30-30 as most know was designed by John Browning for the 1894 Winchester Levergun which he also designed by redesigning the 1892 Winchester levergun. He did that so the rifle would take longer cartridges than the pistol rounds chambered in the ‘92. Though the 30-30 was to be the first on the market in the new rifle...it didn’t make it...stress flaws in the soft steel used in those days allowed friction wear with jacketed bullets....so the 32-40 was first chambered in the ‘94. By 1895 ‘Nickel Steel’ barrels were put on the 30-30 chambered guns. They found by adding a small amount of nickel to the steel it’s wear quotient was much higher. But then they had problems bluing the barrels...because the nickel created the same condition that stainless steel has...it doesn’t blue well if at all. So if you see an old 30-30 Winchester with what appears to be a brownish-blue barrel... it’s really old, turn of the 19/20th century.
The 30-30 started the great and never ending argument about big fat bullets at slow to moderate velocities vrs. lighter smaller bullets at high velocity and killing ability. The boys back then that used to 45-70s...44-40s...and such, looked at the small hole in the end of the 30-30 barrel and couldn’t believe it would kill well. We it did then...and still does now. And with the new powders, bullets, cartridges cases of great strength, guns made of fantastic steel today, compared to the 1890s...the 30-30 today does illustriously better than yesteryear. Certainly a 150 grain jacketed bullet at 2500 fps is a fine hunting load. The Improved case is better, and cast bullets really make it shine.
A farmer in Rhodesia (it was Northern and Southern Rhodesia in those days) had a Savage 250-3000 and a 30-30 Marlin. The man kept four large families on farms (ranches..stations..what ever they called them then) around him, in meat all the time while I was there...and I’m sure for decades later. He harvested animals as big as our elk with the 30-30 and the standard British loaded 170 grain round softnose (flat tip). Varmints and even up to large deer types, with the 250-3000 went down also. The 7.62X51mm Rimmed as the 30-30 is called in Europe, was always considered a fine target round..as well as perfect for drillings, single shot break opens, and even a few doubles. Can you image a small, trim, 30-30 double rifle...goodness that would be sweet. Our so called poor 30-30 is really an international caliber and cartridge.
Loading for it is easy...cartridge cases today are much stronger than just a few decades ago....at least I seem to crush fewer with the reloading press then I did back in the 1960s and 70s.
There are so many cast bullet molds in .308 thru .311 that it is staggering. So I use just a few here....the number one cast mold I have for the 30-30 class of leveraction rifles and the 32-20 and 30 Carbine in rifles and handguns is the Lyman .308440 which probably has been renumbered to .311440. It is a flat faced almost cylindrical bullet in my softest alloy it runs 155 grains and in my hard cast 151 grains. It’s perfect for loading tubes and transmitting shock to animals. I hear all the time this shape bullet in the 30-30 will have terrible down range ballistics.
Well loaded to 2500 fps with 36 grains of Reloader15 from my 24 inch Marlin...with a 3 inch high at 100 yards, this bullet with it’s B.C. of near .250, will be on at 200 yards and down a scant foot at 300 yards! Actual tests...not from the books. It will still be trucking at a velocity of near 2000 fps at 300 and giving all most 1300 lbs of punch out there. And that flat nose will transmit its energy well. We are not talking about some big fat flatfaced 44 or 45 caliber bullet with a ballistic co-efficient so low it’s only in the double digits. The 30 caliber starts off long and narrow for it’s weight. A comparable jacketed bullet is the Speer 130 grain Flatnosed 30-30 bullet. Loaded the same it gives basically the same ballistics. See my articles on the 30-30 for top loads for hunting and such.
This bullet over 7 grains of Red Dot in the 30-30 case or the 300 Savage case (the savage case takes one grain more of fast powder to met these 30-30 velocities with fast powder), gives near 1200 fps and near 500 lbs of punch for around 25000 CUP. 8.5 grains jumps the pressure to well over 35,000 CUP for only an additional 150 fps. Try 11 grains of Unique, it will give 1650 fps and 1000 lbs of M.E. and it is a fun load at the same pressure . Out to 150 yards it will kill game to 100 lbs without problems. I use moderate lead tempered to 16 to 18 on the B-Scale with de-tempered noses.
19.5 grains of 4759 will give close to 2000 fps..recoil is nothing and over 1300 lbs of muzzle energy. Good deer load for the younger shooters, or those that can’t take recoil. 4 grains of Bullseye will give around 1000 fps...it’s a better squirrel load than any 22RF...cheaper too. You can shoot right up thru a branch a squirrel is laying on...he’ll come off and right down into your game bag. The 311041 is a 170 grain flat nose that can take the above fast powder loads, and it kills better and is one of the most accurate I have used in my 30 caliber rifles...nice gas checked bullet that flies very flat.
The 210 grain Lyman cast soft, lubed with a flat faced nose insert in the lube sizer...will give a flat nose to this bullet so it can be loaded in the tube. Start with 3 grains of Bullseye and work down for the silent/near silent load that has power enough for close range vermin. Careful it’s not a toy load...it will kill. In my 32-40 Winchester High wall 26 inch barrel...I can hear the hammer drop...but it knocked over my 70 lb bullet trap. The trap was on a unstable 3 legged stool and that helped the topple...but still I was impressed. The 32 Winchester Special is in the same class as the 30-30 so the same loads with heavier cast bullets can be used. I use a number of .323 or 8mm molds in different weights in my 32 Specials.
Heavy cast bullets in the 16 to 18 hardness area, gas checked...nose de-tempered, I use a premium lube like ApacheBlu...with the 170 grain 311041 in my 30-30 Marlin over 31 grains of 335, it goes 2290 fps and is better than any jacketed load I have put together on large game animals like small elk. Remember the lube is important...I developed ApacheBlu back in the 1980s to over come hot temperatures...like we have in the southwest. Also it was made to allow very high velocity without the fouling....Hanned manufactures it now, and I have no real interest in the company other than the owners are friends. They make it just like I did for so many years...and it isn’t cheap. But it’s for high velocity, high temp, high pressure cast loads...the ingredients are not cheap. And there are other lubes that are cheaper...but they won’t do what ApacheBlu will do under the conditions described above. Sure a few shots will go well...but I have fired hundreds of rounds with A’Blu without fouling or the groups opening.
One trick I use is to fire a flat based jacketed bullet, loaded backwards at moderate velocity for every 20 to 30 cast rounds...cleans the barrel slick as anything else and is quick. Don’t even have to change your shooting position. The old saying is, want to find the quickest way to solve a labor problem, ask a lazy man...ApacheBlu does it...and a backwards flatbase jacketed slug every once in a while. ApacheBlu also conditions the barrel for cast loads...make sure the barrel is clean and start with A’Blu loads the groups get better with use. At least it does for me.
http://www.leverguns.com/articles/paco/ ... harges.htm
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Reminisensen
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Re: .30-30 klubben
Jajjamän! Jag har hittat en massa på tuben. Särskilt Anders videos var sköna att se; att Lee's material fungerar trots hur det kritiseras bl.a i detta forum.XLV skrev:Konsultera YouTube, där finns faktiskt ganska mycket bra att hämta, det är lärorikt att se andra göra och sen testa självReminisensen skrev:Japp, det blir till att hitta någon vänlig själ i närheten som kan ta mig under sina vingar och jag får väl vackert lära mig hantverket.
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XLV
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Re: .30-30 klubben
Lee har jag kört med mycket till alla möjliga kalibrar, funkar förträffligtReminisensen skrev:Jajjamän! Jag har hittat en massa på tuben. Särskilt Anders videos var sköna att se; att Lee's material fungerar trots hur det kritiseras bl.a i detta forum.XLV skrev:Konsultera YouTube, där finns faktiskt ganska mycket bra att hämta, det är lärorikt att se andra göra och sen testa självReminisensen skrev:Japp, det blir till att hitta någon vänlig själ i närheten som kan ta mig under sina vingar och jag får väl vackert lära mig hantverket.
.22LR - .222em - .308Win - 12/70
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“I tried being reasonable, I didn't like it.”
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Reminisensen
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Re: .30-30 klubben
Hej klubben!
Jag sitter nu, efter att äntligen fått licensen för en Marlin 336bl (hämtar den på torsbo i veckan) och funderar på handladdning; vilken kula, krut etc. etc. som är billig och bra: mest för övningsskytte.
Jag vill kunna skjuta en massa innan jag lyfter vapnet mot något levande och så har jag dessutom högviltprovet att träna inför.
Jag sitter nu, efter att äntligen fått licensen för en Marlin 336bl (hämtar den på torsbo i veckan) och funderar på handladdning; vilken kula, krut etc. etc. som är billig och bra: mest för övningsskytte.
Jag vill kunna skjuta en massa innan jag lyfter vapnet mot något levande och så har jag dessutom högviltprovet att träna inför.
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knappåsarn
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Re: .30-30 klubben
Jag har just köpt dessa kulor från H&N.
Laddata längst ned på sidan.
Hoppas på en billig plinkingladdning för att lära känna bössan.
https://www.hn-sport.de/en/reloading/hp-308-125-gr-hs
Laddata längst ned på sidan.
Hoppas på en billig plinkingladdning för att lära känna bössan.
https://www.hn-sport.de/en/reloading/hp-308-125-gr-hs
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Reminisensen
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Re: .30-30 klubben
Tack för länken. jag har tittat litet men har inte hittat priser ännu. Skall titta mer... Är ju helt novis på att ladda så det tar väl sin runda tid att bilda en något så när grundad uppfattning. Det lutar hursomhelst åt att jag handlar litet på Torsbo när jag är där och förlitar mig på deras proffessionalitet. Jag behöver ändå vänta på laddgrejorna och laddmanualen från brownells (hur lång tid de kan tänkas ta på sig att leverera).knappåsarn skrev:Jag har just köpt dessa kulor från H&N.
Laddata längst ned på sidan.
Hoppas på en billig plinkingladdning för att lära känna bössan.
https://www.hn-sport.de/en/reloading/hp-308-125-gr-hs
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Reminisensen
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Re: .30-30 klubben
Japp, har tittat mera nu och de verkar vara ok, men tyvärr slut hos den leverantören.knappåsarn skrev:Jag har just köpt dessa kulor från H&N.
Laddata längst ned på sidan.
Hoppas på en billig plinkingladdning för att lära känna bössan.
https://www.hn-sport.de/en/reloading/hp-308-125-gr-hs
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knappåsarn
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leffe55
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Re: .30-30 klubben
Någon som testat dessa kulor. Tänkte mest för tavelskytte. Någon precision?
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25-35
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Re: .30-30 klubben
Jag undrar on någon testat med kopparkulor i 9,1 gram och 9.7 vad ni får för hastigheter och joule? Enligt Hornady ska deras 140 grains kula ge drygt 2 000 joule på 100 yards vilket skulle betyda att patronen klarar det finska kravet för älg, björn och vildsvin nämligen 1 900 joule detta med 24" pipa men iaf. Jag testade att räkna själv med robsofts kunbaneberäkning men då blev det mycket lägre 1 762 joule. Jag kollade även på Barnes Vor-Tex 150 grain men där blev resultatet ännu sämre 1 576 joule. Så frågan får bli har jag eller Hornady fel?
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Hooligan
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Re: .30-30 klubben
Ser att tråden har tagit semester. Aktiverar den men en ny medlem i klubben! Marlin 336xlr 30-30
Med svullna hylsor på sommaren , inte vintern. Har nog löst problemet nu.. ppu hylsor är icke detsamma som hornadys hylsor.
Med svullna hylsor på sommaren , inte vintern. Har nog löst problemet nu.. ppu hylsor är icke detsamma som hornadys hylsor.
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10 smågrisar, blev bara 9 , 9st smågrisar blev bara 8 , 8 grisar blev bara 7 , 7 grisar blev 16 grisar
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DalkarlsboTorpet
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Re: .30-30 klubben
Här kommer min 30-30 winchester apache
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XLV
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Re: .30-30 klubben
Vackert
.22LR - .222em - .308Win - 12/70
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fugazi
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pumba_1987
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Re: .30-30 klubben
Joinar med min Winchester 94AE 
